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Soldiers Request the Return of the .45 ACP

Wed, 30 May 2007 15:53:25 -0400 by Bull

The following is an excerpt from a CNA survey concerning the currently issued small arms of American forces. There is quite a bit in there about the M4, however I have had little time on either the M16 or the M4. On the other hand, The Bull has spent many hours with the handguns mentioned and the various types of ammo these weapons fire. I found this little bit to be very interesting.

The CNA surveyors also asked Soldiers for their opinions on possible improvements to their small arms. The top request from Soldiers was for more knock-down power, reigniting the debate over America’s small arms caliber choices.

“When speaking to experts and Soldiers on site, many commented on the limited ability to effectively stop targets, saying that those personnel targets who were shot multiple times were still able to continue pursuit,” the report said.

A full 20 percent of M9 users said they wanted a new weapon, and “some were more specific and requested a return to the Colt .45 for standard issue pistols,” including others who asked for hollow-point ammo.

Hollow point rounds have been deemed illegal for military use.

Well, I hate to say I told you so, but I did tell you so! :mrgreen:
This is what happens when Washington starts trying to become more European and when the Pentagon fails to remember the lessons of the past.

This is not the first time that the U.S. Army has found that their new sub-caliber sidearms to be less-than-adequate in a fire fight with determined enemies. The first time was in the Philippines when the Army .38’s failed miserably and lead to the re-issue of the .45 Colt revolvers. Most folk think that the weapon issued was the 1911 .45 ACP. Wrong! It was the venerable .45 Colt, sometimes erroneously called the .45 Long Colt, in the single action Colt Peacemaker. With the advent of the model 1911 the military had everything it could ever ask for: A fine, tough, reliable semi-auto sidearm chambered for a powerful round of proper caliber, (i.e.: anything starting with a “4″…), the good ol’ .45 Automatic Colt Pistol.

Perhaps the current group of folk in that five-sided bird cage in D.C. will take a moment to review American History, see the error of their ways and return us to a full caliber sidearm. Hell, danged near anything of heavy bore is better than the 9mm P.O.S. the troops must carry now!

Lessons learned, eh?

Bull, out.  End of Article

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  • 1 briarthorn May 30, 2007 at 1911

    Bull I have a couple of Colt 1911 45 autos and feel the military should allow the larger weapon to our troops in what ever configuration works best. A good double stacker 45 auto 14 or 15 round hand launcher has a 90% 1 shot stopping record (ie earlier police records) and puts you on an even keel with the bad guys, but as usual they just don’t get it. As for the non hollow-point ammo they need to rethink the full metal jacket thing, I mean it is about killing the enemy the most efficient way possible is it not? I realize its part of the Geneva Convention but last time I looked the bad guys don’t follow its rules or read it much. briarthorn

  • 2 Big White Hat May 31, 2007 at 1842

    I am one of those who still shoots the .45LC.

    I think they should return to the .45ACP.

    And they should also change from the 5.56 to the 6.5. Barret builds a functionally identical 6.5. It is a much better round.

  • 3 Graumagus Jun 3, 2007 at 1140

    I think they should switch to a handgun that uses .44 Rem Magnum.

    Not that I think that’s the best all around round (I’d vote for .45acp) but because I’m selfish and I’d love to see mil-surp .44 mag ammo hit the market.

    Maybe I could afford to shoot my S&W Mod.29 more than a box every three months :)

  • 4 “7.62mm Justice” ™ Jun 4, 2007 at 0622

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  • 5 “7.62mm Justice” ™ Jun 4, 2007 at 0622

    Alabama Bloggers Carnival - 06/04…

    Good Monday to everyone, and Welcome to the Alabama Blogger’s Carnival!
    I’m pretty happy with the turnout we had this week.
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  • 6 ProphetJoe Jun 4, 2007 at 0855

    Graumagus said: “I think they should switch to a handgun that uses .44 Rem Magnum”

    Love the idea! Give the lads a choice between the .44 Mag and the .45 ACP — that ought to lower the price of those rounds! Hell, I’d even vote for the .41 Magnum as a third option :mrgreen:

  • 7 ProphetJoe Jun 4, 2007 at 0908

    OK, a couple of more comments since I posted above — I LOVE the Teddy Roosevelt quote below (about the Senate). TR is my favorite president!
    I also wanted to echo BWH’s sentiments about the 7.62 mm round — what a**hat thought a .223 round would REALLY be superior?? Go Back now!

    And let’s start a real war of words (potentially anyway) — I’m in the market, so who do you recommend for a 1911 in .45 ACP and why?

    PJ

  • 8 Bull Jun 5, 2007 at 0253

    Ok. The word is “Kimber”. If you are looking for a superior 1911 that you do not want to customize yourself, then Kimber is the answer. Pricey, but perfect.

    However, if a rough and tumber no non-sense standard 1911 is what you are looking for, (you know, something reliable and that can be upgraded as you have the time and money), then go with the Springfield Armory ‘G.I.’ 1911.

    If your .45 ACP doesn’t have to be a 1911, then look at the Ruger 345 or the high capacity (14 rounds fully loaded) Springfield XD45.

  • 9 Graumagus Jun 5, 2007 at 1116

    I love my Colt 1991A1, but I have to admit that you’re basically paying extra for that pony emblem.

    The next .45 I get is going to be a Springfield Mil-Spec

  • 10 Dave Gibson (USN Ret) Aug 13, 2008 at 0802

    Bull,
    I could not agree with you more about reintroducing the .45 M1911’s back the troops. The stopping power of this ‘old iron’ would give our troops more firepower to stop Johnny Jihad in his tracks even when they are hopped up on illict drugs (which have been found in their safe house). The other little known and unreported thing is that these so called holy warriors have been found dead with, you guessed it Colt M1911’s on them. I feel feel that it is time to reevaluate why we sacrificed a great side arm for hig capacity and NATO compatibilty.

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